Cyare ([info]order66) wrote,
@ 2006-04-15 20:04:00
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just one in three million
(This entry isn't really important to read; I'm posting for my own benefit and probably won't make much sense unless you run in the same fandom circles as I do. I'm also not cross-posting this, though I might link it later.)

So lately I've been watching some Clone Wars battles unfold.

I should probably mention that when I say "Clone Wars" above, I do not mean the war between the Republic and the Separatists in a certain galaxy far far away. No, I'm referring to the war about clone numbers, which has been raging in various places on the internet for 5 months now. Spawned by the Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic, the fighting has re-ignited due to the story 'Odds' in Star Wars Insider (which I haven't read yet, but know the important details about). I am also now a non-combatant, though I do have a vested interest in one side. Yet I'm refusing to allow myself to be baited by the few people on the 'enemy' side, who talk in a quantity much larger in number than they are. But this of course means that I have to avoid some things I'd normally participate in... the war spread to Wookieepedia a couple days ago but I've kept my mouth shut. I guess you could also say that my disillusionment with wikis is complete - I see so many personal agendas there now. It's sad. I already fought one battle over there to keep the definition of 'Fandalorian' non-inflammatory, but I don't have the time and energy to stave off the enemy everywhere.

I should probably mention: "the enemy" does not refer to people who disagree with my position or the canon clone numbers in general. Instead, it refers to people who flame others because of said numbers, take everything personally, boycott certain books and authors, and generally act like immature morons. And while I tend to skirmish with the enemy who disagrees with the clone numbers, there certainly are enemies among the ranks of the opposite point-of-view (my point-of-view, generally) as well. This isn't so much a war about numbers as it is about attitudes in discussing said numbers.

So instead I'm writing about it here, in my own online space... where these things should be kept. Not on forums, not on wikis, not on the blogs and sites of the enemy. Just in my own space, where my opinions can be expressed publicly yet not in a way that intrudes on anyone else.

You know, it's hard to be a non-combatant when I'm so incredibly stubborn. I once got in an argument with some guy on TheForce.net (about clone numbers) and I eventually gave up because he wasn't listening to what I was saying and it was a waste of time. But I think I was too concilliatory about it. He was a jerk the entire time we were arguing - one of those 'logical' jerks who hides behind multi-syllabic words and an arrogant tone, while outright insulting you and what you stand for - but as soon as I PMed him and said I refused to argue anymore because it wasn't fun, and I even congratulated him for "winning" (due to my giving up, I was still clear that I didn't agree with his views), he was all nice to me and said he hoped we'd meet again on the boards under better circumstances. I'm glad I got out of that before it got even worse, but man... there's one little part of me that wishes I hadn't admitted that he could have debated circles around me. I know that I'm not good at debating - anything I care to debate I get very emotionally involved about - but it bothers me that the guy probably thinks he won. I hate losing and don't think I lost... but maybe he thinks I lost. That's very unsatisfying. I like to win and have everyone know it. ;) That's why I'm mentioning this; hopefully it'll settle some of these 'issues' for me and I won't feel like I just gave up and lost. :)

I need some closure on this before I can truly be a non-combatant. This entry will be the closure, hopefully. I honestly don't care if even one person reads this, but getting it all out helps.

More later about hiking/Hard Contact, my re-read of Triple Zero, and other random stuff! :)




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[info]darth_angelus
2006-04-16 02:54 am UTC (link)
I didn't even know there was a debate about the number of clones, I've failed as a Star Wars fan :(

The way I see it, as time went on, more clones matured and so the number of active clone troopers increased.

There's also the Sparti Cloning tanks, which are different from the cloning technology used on Kamino :)

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[info]solsticedawn
2006-04-17 01:08 pm UTC (link)
I don't understand factions. I just don't. I may not agree with others, but I think there is something to be said for civil discourse. You know the side I fall on in this one, but I really don't understand the intolerance. I'm preaching to the choir, I know; you're Canadian for heaven's sake. Canadians just aren't known for their brash and argumentative personalities, eh?

One thing I will never, ever understand about Canadians is how Southern, sickly sweet, ice tea ended up there? I almost choked myself on it once in Oshawa; I never expected SWEETENED ice tea!

Anyway, I'll blog over on TOS after I read "Odds". My Insider has not arrived yet. OK, it's really not my Insider, but I get to read it before I send it off to an undisclosed foreign country that does not get Insider...

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[info]order66
2006-04-21 01:51 am UTC (link)
Sweetened ice tea is awesome!! I'm slightly addicted to it at the moment. ;) I don't know people can drink the gross non-sweet kind. I had that once in the US and it was so icky. :P The more sugar, the better... lol. :)

And yeah, certain people really need to learn how to disagree and remain civil. When told to be polite, they automatically assume that they're being forced to blindly agree. Ugh.

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[info]mattt
2006-04-18 04:09 am UTC (link)
Your dilemma with regards to having your opponent know you've won made me think of this:

BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass.
ARTHUR: I have no quarrel with you, good Sir knight, but I must
cross this bridge.
BLACK KNIGHT: Then you shall die.
ARTHUR: I command you as King of the Britons to stand aside!
BLACK KNIGHT: I move for no man.
ARTHUR: So be it!
[hah]
[parry thrust]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]
ARTHUR: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR: A scratch? Your arm's off!
BLACK KNIGHT: No, it isn't.
ARTHUR: Well, what's that then?
BLACK KNIGHT: I've had worse.
ARTHUR: You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT: Come on you pansy!
[hah]
[parry thrust]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]
ARTHUR: Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank thee Lord, that in thy merc-
[Black Knight kicks Arthur in the head while he is praying]
BLACK KNIGHT: Come on then.
ARTHUR: What?
BLACK KNIGHT: Have at you!
ARTHUR: You are indeed brave, Sir knight, but the fight is mine.
BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR: Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT: Yes I have.
ARTHUR: Look!
BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound.
[Headbutts Arthur in the chest]
ARTHUR: Look, stop that.
BLACK KNIGHT: Chicken! Chicken!
ARTHUR: Look, I'll have your leg. Right!
[whop]
BLACK KNIGHT: Right, I'll do you for that!
ARTHUR: You'll what?
BLACK KNIGHT: Come 'ere!
ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible!
ARTHUR: You're a loony.
BLACK KNIGHT: The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you!
Come on then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's other leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT: All right; we'll call it a draw.

I hate to say that something's hopeless, but when it comes to making the interweb hordes see reason it's often the case :P. Perhaps the best you can do is regale your friends with your tales of battle and victory and bask in their recognition of your prowess, though I think the real trick is learning to be happy with your own knowledge that you're right, and not to care about other people's delusions. ;)

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[info]order66
2006-04-21 01:52 am UTC (link)
Hehe. :) Yeah, I guess I have to be happy just knowing I'm right (because I am, mwahaha)... but it annoys me that some people actually listen to the stupid people. *sigh*

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